1989 Ford Probe problems
The Ford Probe is a liftback coupé produced by Ford, introduced in 1988 and produced until 1997. The Probe was the result of Ford's collaboration with its longtime Japanese partner Mazda, and both generations of Probe were derived from the front-wheel drive Mazda G platform that underpinned the Mazda Capella.
The Probe succeeded the Ford EXP, and the instrument cluster of the first-generation Probe and pop-up headlight mechanisms were borrowed from the FC Series RX-7.
Based on the Mazda MX-6 as a sport compact coupe, the Probe was intended to fill the market niche formerly occupied by the Capri in Europe, and it was originally intended to be the fourth generation Ford Mustang in the North American market as a direct competitor with the Acura Integra, Isuzu Piazza, Nissan 200SX, and the Toyota Celica. During that time, Ford's marketing team had deemed that a front-wheel drive platform (borrowed Mazda GD and GE platforms) would have lower costs for production, and also because the platform had been gaining popularity with consumers.
Mustang fans objected to the front-wheel drive configuration, Japanese engineering, and lack of a V8, so Ford began work on a new design for the Mustang instead. On March 17, 1997, Ford announced the discontinuation of the Probe.
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Common 1989 Ford Probe problems
The Ford Probe, produced from 1989 to 1997, is known for several common problems that have been reported by its owners.
- Catalytic Converter Issues: One of the most frequently reported issues with the Ford Probe is related to the catalytic converter. If the car experiences serious acceleration problems accompanied by a strong smell of fuel, it could be a sign of a faulty catalytic converter. The only solution is to replace it with a new one.
- Rear Brake Calliper Problems: The Probe is also known to suffer from rear brake calliper issues. If the rear brakes are sticking or seizing up, it's likely that the rear callipers are the culprit. Loosening the callipers might solve the problem, but if not, new callipers will be required.
- Paint Problems: Another common issue with the Ford Probe is the ease with which the paint can chip off, particularly around the bumper and bonnet area. Lines and swirls can also form, especially around the front end. While there isn't a quick fix for the chipping, applying a product like T-Cut over the paint can help reduce the appearance of lines and swirls. Sanding down and re-spraying is the only solution for chipping paint.
- Clutch Problems: The Ford Probe has been known to have issues with the clutch slipping, even in cars with less than 20,000 miles. The only solution to this problem is to have a new clutch fitted, which can be quite costly.
- Sunroof Noise: An annoying noise from the sunroof is often caused by the sunroof frame rubbing against the roof. This can be solved by fitting some foam between the sunroof frame and the roof, or using some other form of protective insulant to prevent them from rubbing together.
- Window Seal Failure: The Probe has had issues with window seal failure due to frameless windows. If the window seal becomes loose, it could be due to leaning on the window or closing the door by pushing the window. Fitting a new seal will resolve this issue.
- Brake Warning Light: If the brake warning light comes on when applying the brakes, it's likely that the sensor is over sensitive. Checking the brake fluid levels and topping up if necessary will resolve the issue.
These problems have contributed to the Probe's reputation for being unreliable and prone to breakdowns. Despite its performance capabilities, these issues have made it a less desirable choice for many car buyers.
Why did the Ford Probe fail?
By 1997, the Probe's final year, Ford sold less than 20,000 units compared to 108,000 Mustangs. Ford did such a poor job of positioning and marketing the Probe it was almost destined to fail. A third-generation Probe was planned, but that design became the early-2000s Mercury Cougar, also an unsuccessful car.
How long did the Ford Probe last?
The Ford Probe is a liftback coupé produced by Ford, introduced in 1988 and produced until 1997.
How much horsepower does a 1989 Ford Probe have?
Specifications for Ford Probe GT 2.2 Manual, 147hp, 1989 5-speed.
How much do Ford probes go for?
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There are 1 used Ford Probe vehicles for sale near you, with an average cost of $16,995. Prices for a used Ford Probe range from a high of $16,995 to a low of $16,995. Remember that mileage and condition can affect price.
Why did the Ford Probe fail?
By 1997, the Probe's final year, Ford sold less than 20,000 units compared to 108,000 Mustangs. Ford did such a poor job of positioning and marketing the Probe it was almost destined to fail. A third-generation Probe was planned, but that design became the early-2000s Mercury Cougar, also an unsuccessful car.
How much horsepower does a 1989 Ford Probe have?
Specifications for Ford Probe GT 2.2 Manual, 147hp, 1989 5-speed.
Did the Ford Probe have a Mazda engine?
As before, the Probe was to share its under-structure with Mazda's MX-6 and 626. Mazda engineered the engine, transmission, and chassis, while Ford engineered the body and interior. Technically, the second generation Probe is 60% Mazda and 40% Ford.
What happened to all the Ford probes?
Why Was the Ford Probe Taken Off the Market? By 1997, Probe sales had dropped to less than 20,000 as buyer interest was lured away from the coupe and towards the Mustang it was meant to replace. It also lost sales to the Thunderbird and Mazda's Miata, all of which had rear-wheel drive.
1989 Ford Probe car problems categorized by type of issue
After analyzing all complaints sent to the NHTSA and researching popular Ford Probe problems, we found that the most common problems with these 2023 model year vehicles are:
- Seat belts problems
- Engine and engine cooling problems
- Electrical system problems
- Visibility problems
- Power train problems
The graph below shows statistics for all 1989 Ford Probe vehicle components and the number of complaints received.
Latest 25 complaints 1989 Ford Probe
The NHTSA has received 98 complaints about various vehicle components related to the 1989 Ford Probe. Below are the 25 most recent complaints reported for 1989 Ford Probe vehicles.
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2018-04-24
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C5K5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: WHILE DRIVING THE CAR ON THE ROAD, A CAR PULLED IN FRONT OF ME AND I BRAKED HARD AND MY SEATBELT LOCKED. BUT AFTER THIS INCIDENT THE SEATBELT HAS NEVER WORKED THE SAME. THE SEATBELT DOESN'T LOCK, OR RETRACT. THE CAR ONLY HAS 48,000 MILES. THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY COMMON PROBLEM FOR THIS CAR. I CAN'T EVEN FIND PARTS TO FIX IT BECAUSE THE CAR IS SO OLD. VERY UNSAFE!
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM,FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2015-10-02
- VIN: 1ZVBT20C9K5
- Components: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM,FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM
- Summary: AFTER PULLING ALL FUSES IN THE DRIVEWAY WITH VEHICLE OFF, TO CHECK THEM AND PUTTING THEM ALL BACK, VERIFYING SEVERAL TIMES THE CORRECT LOCATION, THE CAR CRANKS BUT NO LONGER STARTS. THERE IS NO SPARK, NO FUEL PRESSURE. IGNITION COIL GETS 12V POWER TO BOTH PRONGS UNTIL CRANKING, THEN LOSSES ALL POWER. 4EAT COMPUTER UNDER THE DASH REPORTS FAULT WITH THE THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR. THROTTLE POSITION SENSOR IS IN GOOD CONDITION AND THIS WAS VERIFIED BY TESTING IT MANUALLY USING A VOLTMETER, A BAD TPS WILL NOT CAUSE A NO START SITUATION ANYWAY. REPLACED THE 4EAT CONTROL MODULE AND NO CHANGE. TRIED PULLING CODES FROM ECM, NO CODES REPORTED. REPLACED ECM, NO CHANGE IN SITUATION. VERIFIED THE FUEL CUTOFF SWITCH WAS NOT TRIGGERED, VERIFIED THE RELAYS ARE WORKING. CAR IS DEAD AND I'M OUT OF MONEY TO FIX IT. IF FORD WOULD MAKE TOOLS LIKE THE BREAKOUT BOX AND 4EAT TESTER AFFORDABLE FOR CONSUMERS THAT WOULD BE GREAT, BUT NO.
STEERING,SUSPENSION PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 1991-09-10
- VIN: 1ZVBT22L4K5
- Components: STEERING,SUSPENSION
- Summary: THE CAR VIBRATES TERRIBLY FROM THE FRONT END SINCE NEW. ALL NINE TIMES I TOOK IN DURING THE FIRST YEAR, WHEN IT WAS UNDER WARRANTY, THE DEALER SAID IT WAS NORMAL. I TOOK IT TO A DIFFERENT DEALER AND DID NOT MENTION MY WARRANTY, AND I WAS GIVEN A $10,000 ESTIMATE TO REPAIR. FORD STILL REFUSED TO FIX IT UNDER WARRANTY. IT TURNS OUT THE FRONT AXLES ARE DEFECTIVE AND NOT MADE BALANCED. REPLACING THEM AFTER THEY DESTROYED THE FRONT CV JOINTS SOLVED THE PROBLEM, BUT FORD GOT AWAY WITH A RIP OFF AND I SUFFERED FOR SIX YEARS AND 60,000 MILES. *TR
STEERING,ELECTRICAL SYSTEM,ENGINE PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2004-07-06
- VIN: 1ZVBT22L4K5
- Components: STEERING,ELECTRICAL SYSTEM,ENGINE
- Summary: THE ENGINE STOPS UNEXPECTEDLY WHILE DRIVING, CUTTING OUT THE POWER BRAKES AND POWER STEERING AND MAKING MY FRONT-HEAVY FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAR VERY VERY HARD TO STEER AND VERY VERY DIFFICULT TO STOP. THE ENGINE STOPS UNEXPECTEDLY OFTEN, WITHOUT WARNING. I THOUGHT THIS WAS TIED TO THE IGNITION SWITCH, BUT CHANGING THE SWITCH AND WIRING DID NOT HELP. AT THE SAME TIME OF THIS PROBLEM, THE IGNITION SWITCH STOPPED TURNING ON THE STARTER, BUT WILL LET THE ENGINE RUN. *TR
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 1994-10-11
- VIN: 1ZVBT22L4K5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: THE DRIVER'S SEAT BELT WILL NOT RETRACT. THEREFORE, IT WILL NOT RETRACT IN AN ACCIDENT, IMPAIRING MY SAFETY. I BROUGHT THIS UP TO THE DEALER AND THEY REFUSED TO FIX IT. THERE IS A 1990 RECALL THAT FORD USED TO SCAM THE OWNERS OF THE 1989 MODELS OUT OF THE RECALL EVEN THOUGH THE 1989 WAS THE FIRST YEAR MADE AND ONLY MADE FOR A FEW MONTHS BEFORE BUILDING THE 1990S AND THE 1990 WAS THE EXACT SAME CAR WITH THE EXACT SAME COMPONENTS. FORD IS CHEATING US OUT OF OUR RECALL AND ENDANGERING OUT LIVES. PLEASE MAKE CERTAIN THAT FORD INCLUDES US 1989 PROBE OWNERS IN A NEW RECALL SO THAT WE WON'T DIE BECAUSE THERE AREN'T ENOUGH OF US DYING TO MAKE FORD ACKNOWLEDGE US. I TRIED TO PHONE IN A COMPLAINT BUT I AM NOT SURE IF THAT GOT THROUGH AND WAS RECORDED CORRECTLY. *TR
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 1994-07-03
- VIN: 1ZVBT22L4K5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: TL* THE CONTACT OWNS 1989 FORD PROBE GT. THE CONTACT STATED THAT THE DRIVER'S SIDE SEAT BELT FAILED TO RETRACT. THE VEHICLE WAS TAKEN TO THE DEALER WHERE THE TECHNICIAN DIAGNOSED THE RETRACTOR NEEDED TO BE REPLACED. NO REPAIRS WERE MADE AND THE MANUFACTURER WAS MADE AWARE OF THE FAILURE. THE FAILURE MILEAGE WAS 2,000 AND THE CURRENT MILEAGE WAS 100,000.
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C3K5
- Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
- Summary: SOMETIMES VEHICLE STALLED WHEN PUT INTO GEAR AND ENGINE WOULD CUT OFF WHILE DRIVING. *PH THIS WAS AN INTERMITTENT PROBLEM. THE MECHANIC WAS UNABLE TO FIND THE PROBLEM. *SC *JB
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2003-02-15
- VIN: 1ZVBT21CXK5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: I PURCHASED A DRIVER SIDE SEAT BELT ON 8/17/02. I PAID 131.00 FOR THE PART .ALL FORD PARTS ARE WARRANTED FOR 12 MONTHS OR 12,000 MILES. INCLUDING SEAT BELTS, EVEN IF THEY ARE DEFECTIVE AFTER THAT WARRANTY EXPIRES THEY KEEP MY MONEY AND I HAVE A DEFECTIVE SEAT BELT THAT DOES NOT WORK PROPERLY. I DECIDED TO SAVE MONEY AND INSTALL IT MYSELF. THE SEAT BELT WORKED FOR ABOUT A WEEK AND THEN IT SEIZED AND WOULD NOT PULL DOWN OVER MY LEFT SHOULDER. I GOT ANOTHER UNDER WARRANTY, INSTALLED IT MYSELF AND IT HAPPENED AGAIN. I WENT BACK TO PENINSULA FORD OF SAN BRUNO AND PAID THEM 198.00 TO INSTALL MY THIRD WARRANTED SEAT BELT. I CAME BACK THE NEXT DAY AND PROVED IT WAS NOT WORKING PROPERLY. THEY AGREED AND ORDERED ME A NEW ONE. THIS IS MY FOURTH SEAT BELT AND THE SAME THING HAPPENED. I WAS ANGRY BECAUSE I WAS LOSING HOURS (WAGES) AT MY WORKPLACE. I HAD A FEW WORDS WITH THE MANAGER AT THE TIME AND GOT MY 198.00 BACK. THEY INSTALLED THE SEAT BELT AND AGAIN IT DID NOT WORK. I TALKED TO THE SERVICE MANAGER AND HE UNPROFESSIONALLY WROTE DOWN MY INFO TOLD ME HE'D ORDER THE PART LATER THAT DAY AND THAT IT SHOULD ARRIVE IN 2 DAYS. I CALLED BACK 2 DAYS LATER, SPOKE TO HIM AND HE SAID HE WAS HOPING IT WOULD COME TODAY BUT IT'S NOT HERE YET. I REASONABLY CALLED BACK 7 DAYS LATER AND ASKED FOR HIM. HE NO LONGER WORK'S HERE SIR WAS THE ANSWER. I WAS DRIVING AROUND WITH NO SEAT BELT. CALIFORNIA HIGHWAY PATROL HAD BECOME MORE STRICT ABOUT THE SEAT BELT LAW AT THAT EXACT MOMENT. I TALKED TO THE MANAGER AND DEMANDED MY MONEY BACK AND HE TOLD ME TO COME BACK TOMORROW. NEXT DAY, I CALLED AND SPOKE TO ANOTHER MANAGER WHO WAS EXTREMELY RUDE, UNPROFESSIONAL AND CONFRONTATIONAL. I WASN'T GETTING ANYWHERE ON THE PHONE SO I IMMEDIATELY DROVE THERE WITH A SEAT BELT THAT DID NOT WORK. I ARGUED FOR HALF HOUR TO GET MY MONEY BACK AND THEY DISCREETLY HINTED NO. THE NEXT DAY I WAS TOLD ALL THEY COULD DO WAS ORDER ME ANOTHER SEAT BELT. MY WARRANTY EXPIRES ON AUG 17, 2003. I AM AN UNSATISFIED CUSTOMER.
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2003-08-07
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: DRIVER SIDE SEAT BELT WOULD NOT RETRACT BACK TO RELEASE FOR MORE ROOM, CAUSING THE SEAT BELT TO BE IMPROPERLY WORN OR NOT WORN AT ALL. DEALER HAS BEEN NOTIFIED. *AK
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC,TIRES PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Crash: 1
- Components: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC,TIRES
- Summary: NO SNAP RING AVAILABLE FROM DEALER OR PARTS (DRUM/BEARING) SUPPLIES. COMPLETE REAR TIRE AND DRUM ASSEMBLY FELL OFF. LUCKY THAT SPEED WASN'T TOO HIGH - POTENTIAL FOR GETTING KILLED. *AK
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC,TIRES PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Crash: 1
- Components: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC,TIRES
- Summary: NO SNAP RING AVAILABLE FROM DEALER OR PARTS (DRUM/BEARING) SUPPLIES. COMPLETE REAR TIRE AND DRUM ASSEMBLY FELL OFF. LUCKY THAT SPEED WASN'T TOO HIGH - POTENTIAL FOR GETTING KILLED. *AK
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2001-08-01
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C0K5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: CONTACTED FORD AND THEY SAID THEY HAD NO RECALL INFORMATION. I HEARD OTHERWISE WHICH IS WHY I AM CONTACTING YOU. NO SAFETY DEFECT LISTED. *AK
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2001-03-01
- VIN: 1ZVBT22LXK5
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: CONSUMER COMPLAINED IN REGARD TO OPERATION OF DRIVER'S LAP AND SHOULDER BELT. BELT FAILS TO EXTEND AND RETRACT, RESULTING IN FAILURE TO BUCKLE BELT. PLEASE PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL INFORMATION/ATTACHMENTS.*AK
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
- Summary: CONSUMER PURCHASED THE VEHICLE USED AND THE MOTOR AND RADIATOR FAILED. *MJS
SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Components: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC
- Summary: CONSUMER PURCHASED THE VEHICLE USED AND THE BRAKES FAILED. *MJS
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Components: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
- Summary: CONSUMER PURCHASED THE VEHICLE USED WITH MULTIPLE PROBLEMS, MOSTLY ELECTRICAL (HEADLIGHTS, WINDSHIELD WIPERS, LOCKS AND ALTERNATOR). *MJS
TIRES PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2000-10-30
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C0K5
- Components: TIRES
- Summary: TIRE SIZE 19570R14 WITH 20,000-25,000 MILES, AFTERMARKET AND WITH 65,000 RATING. REAR DRIVER'S SIDE TIRE TREAD SEPARATED FROM REST OF TIRE INTO 2 PIECES, AND SIDEWALL SHREADED INTO PIECES WHILE DRIVING AT APPROXIMATELY 30 MPH IN MILD WEATHER CONDITIONS.*AK GOODYEAR AQUATRED II TIRE DOT MKRW5BHRD63. *SLC
VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2000-10-15
- Crash: 1
- VIN: 1ZVBT22LXK5
- Components: VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL
- Summary: DO NOT YET KNOW FULL DAMAGE COST AS OTHER CAR WAS DAMGED AND DON'T KNOW THE COST YET. NO SAFETY DEFECT IN SUMMARY. *AK
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 1999-01-01
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C9K5
- Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
- Summary: CARS STALLS; BEEN TO MECHANICS, THEY CANT SEE THE PROBLEM IT STALLS WHEN WARM IT SHOULDNT VERY DANGEROUS. *AK
ELECTRICAL SYSTEM PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- Components: ELECTRICAL SYSTEM
- Summary: CONSUMER IS EXPERIENCING PROBLEMS WITH THE TFI MODULE. *SLC
ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2000-06-30
- Fire: 1
- Components: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING
- Summary: VEHICLE EXPERIENCED ENGINE FIRE WHILE DRIVING (OHIO TRAFFIC CRASH REPORT). *MJS
SEAT BELTS PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 1999-12-01
- Components: SEAT BELTS
- Summary: DRIVERS SIDE SEAT BELT WILL NO LONGER RETRACT. FAILURE OCCURED DURING NORMAL USE.*AK
VISIBILITY PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2000-04-24
- VIN: 1ZVBT21C1K5
- Components: VISIBILITY
- Summary: RIGHT WINDOW REGULATOR FAILED, DRIVER'S SIDE IS CRACKED AND ABOUT TO FAIL THE DEALERSHIP ASKED FOR $379.00 FOR REPLACEMENT PART. I THEN CALLED WRECKING YARDS (2) AND EXPLAINED THAT I NEEDED A WINDOW REGULATOR FOR A FORD PROBE 1989 THEY INFORMED ME THAT PART IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR THE DRIVERS SIDE I WOULD HAVE TO GET ON A WAITING LIST DUE TO THE FACT THAT SO MANY HAVE FAILED. WHEN I ASKED ABOUT THE LEFT SIDE I WAS QUOTED $150 AND $125 BOTH PLACES NEEDED A WEEK TO GET THE PART. DUE TO THE STATEMENTS FROM THE WRECKING YARDS AND THE FACT THAT MY CAR HAS ONLY 2700 MILES ON IT AND IS ALREADY HAVING PROBLEMS I THOUGHT MAYBE FORD MIGHT HAVE REALIZED THAT THESE PARTICULAR WINDOW REGULATORS WERE NOT STRONG ENOUGH AND WOULD HAVE ISSUED A RECALL TO REPLACE THE DEFECTIVE REGULATORS. *AK
FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- VIN: 1VBBT2OC5K5
- Components: FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE
- Summary: THERE IS A GAS LEAK AT THE SEAM OF THE GAS TANK. ALSO, FUEL LINE RUSTED OUT, CAUSING A FIRE HAZARD. CONSUMER HAS CONTACTED THE DEALER. *AK *ML
SUSPENSION PROBLEM
- Date Of Incident: 2024-11-24
- VIN: 1ZDVT21C7K5
- Components: SUSPENSION
- Summary: UPPER PLATE THAT HOLDS THE STRUT HAS DISINTEGRATED, COULD CAUSE STRUT TO GO THROUGH THE HOOD AND THE THROUGH THE WINDSHIELD. *AK
1989 Ford Probe recalls
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) has issued 1 recalls for different components of the 1989 Ford Probe.
- Manufacturer: MIDAS INTERNATIONAL CORP.
- Components: SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC:FOUNDATION COMPONENTS:DRUM:DRUM
- Summary: THE GROOVE FOR THE REAR WHEEL BEARING RETAINER RING WAS INCORRECTLY MACHINED.
- Consequence: IF THE RETAINING RING DOES NOT SIT CORRECTLY IN THEGROOVE, THE AXLE LUG NUTS WILL BREAK, CAUSING THE BRAKE DRUM, WHEEL, AND TIREASSEMBLY TO SEPARATE FROM THE VEHICLE.
- Remedy: MIDAS SHOPS WILL REPLACE THE BRAKE DRUMS WITH OTHER BRAKE DRUMS FROM ANOTHER SUPPLIER.
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